I'm having brain flatulence right now...I have a client that wants his house staked so the front door is facing true north.
I have a bearing for the property line on a map based on CCS83, Zone 6 and the convergence angle for the property is -0°28'55".
Is the convergence applied counter-clockwise or clockwise, or am I out to lunch?
Need Help with Convergence angle and True North ASAP
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Need Help with Convergence angle and True North ASAP
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True North vs. Grid North
Gosh, not too many clients would even know what true north represents. Assuming the map info is correct, if you ignored the mapping/convergence angle, you would still be within half of a degree from the desired result. Rotate the wrong direction and you're off almost a degree.
It helps me to keep the relationship of True North (geodetic) and Grid North straight by remembering that the two are equal only along the central meridian for the zone. If your position is not exactly on the central meridian then the meridional lines (true north) will be converging on the central meridian. This concept is fairly easy to visualize and is a check to make sure things were rotated the right direction. When using the relationship of Grid north = true north - the convergence angle, one must remember to keep the proper sign for the convergence angle, since it is negative when west of the central meridian.
Since your staking for the structure will only be as good as the map and monuments you are relying on, I would probably be inclined to take a real close look at the info provided, including the convergence angle. If the map covers a large area, you might be well served to calc your own convergence angle, specific to the longitude of the actual construction site.
I staked a structure once so that the long axis was aligned in a true north-south direction. Like Mr. hellsangle, suggested, I did so using Polaris observations. Plug in the Laplace correction(deflection from the vertical) and you get something very close to true north.
A morning shot on good ol' Sol is always an option, too. Of course, it all depends on how close to true north you need to be.
It helps me to keep the relationship of True North (geodetic) and Grid North straight by remembering that the two are equal only along the central meridian for the zone. If your position is not exactly on the central meridian then the meridional lines (true north) will be converging on the central meridian. This concept is fairly easy to visualize and is a check to make sure things were rotated the right direction. When using the relationship of Grid north = true north - the convergence angle, one must remember to keep the proper sign for the convergence angle, since it is negative when west of the central meridian.
Since your staking for the structure will only be as good as the map and monuments you are relying on, I would probably be inclined to take a real close look at the info provided, including the convergence angle. If the map covers a large area, you might be well served to calc your own convergence angle, specific to the longitude of the actual construction site.
I staked a structure once so that the long axis was aligned in a true north-south direction. Like Mr. hellsangle, suggested, I did so using Polaris observations. Plug in the Laplace correction(deflection from the vertical) and you get something very close to true north.
A morning shot on good ol' Sol is always an option, too. Of course, it all depends on how close to true north you need to be.
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