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City of San Marcos does this. San Diego County. My co-worker just did one and I'll see if I can get him to post about it here.

Attached is a copy of the map we prepared. Originally, it was going to be a parcel map, but due to timing, the client switched to a LLA. Since we had already prepared a PM for the job, switching to a LLA PM was not much of a problem. The only thing that was really different was no need for tax clearance.

I'm not sure how it would have progressed if we didn't already have a full boundary prepared for the original PM...I suppose you could do a record data LLA PM...?

Along the same subject...the City of Burbank requires monuments be set after a LLA...which is their round about way of requiring an RS with their LLA.

"No tentative map, parcel map, or final map shall be
required...."

It doesn't state that those maps may not be used to reflect or effect (in the case of a PM) a LLA, only that the approving agency cannot require one.

A PM is a very clean way to accomplish a LLA if the local agencies don't decide that it opens the door to treat it as they would a subdivision of land.

I also know that City of Colton (San Bernardino County) does this also. I am doing a RW project there right now, where one of the adjoining parcels which will have an easement acquisition is a Parcel of a PM for LLA purposes. I have attached the map. I personally have not worked on one though.

"I also recall that the City of Placerville requires a Record of Survey for this process."

That would be in direct conflict with §66412(d) of the Government Code:

"No record of survey shall be required for a lot line adjustment unless required by Section 8762 of the Business and Professions Code."

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El Dorado County Correction!!!

A PM is NOT required in El Dorado County. The way it works is this: if a field survey is performed for the LLA, then except in rare circumstances, you trip the RS trigger in PLSA §8762(b)(4).

If the properties involved are under separate ownership, deeds are exchanged and the RS filed pursuant to §8762(b)(4).

If the properties are under common ownership, there is a problem with a party deeding property to oneself, so rather than an exchange of deeds and an RS, a PM is filed per §8765(c), thus fulfilling the requirement otherwise required under §8762, providing constructive notice, and recreating the parcels in their new configuration, negating the need for exchange deeds.

If the LLA can be done without the need for a field survey, no map is required at all.

Michael is correct on the rest of it. When a map is required (per §8762, not because of county requirements), and the map form used is a PM (common ownership), it bypasses the usual onerous PM review/approval/condition process, going straight to the CS once the LLA is approved. The review fees are the same whether the map form is RS or PM.

The City of Placerville defers to the county as to mapping requirements as they send all maps of parcels within city limits to the CS for review.

~10 years ago we were required to submit a Parcel Map to the City of Inglewood for a lot line obliteration.

Their knowledge of mapping was extremely limited and after numerous requests to speak to the City engineer were ignored the client said "Just do what they want we need to get this project done."

I thought it was interesting that the City told me in writing that the County of LA would not have any involvement in the map. I don't know what the County Surveyor told them but after the city accepted the map I got a letter from the County requesting I allow them to add a page to the map with all the county certs on it. LOL

pls5528 wrote:It's been about ten years ago, but I do recall now that the parcels were under a single ownership. I found it unusal relative to other Counties, but personally felt that it accomplished the purpose of the LLA and provided a means for retracement for future surveyors.
Thank you for the correction Evan!

No problem, Mike. It seems to be a common misconception that a PM is required on all LLAs in El Dorado County. Glad I could help clear it up.