What does "VEN" stand for on a C/L tie sheet?

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What does "VEN" stand for on a C/L tie sheet?

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What does "VEN" stand for on a C/L tie sheet?
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Post by Dave Lindell »

What county?
In what context is it used?
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Post by goodgps »

For that matter, what is a C/L?

Vent,
Ventura
Vend
Victor E. Norris ?
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Sorry, havent had a chance to look at my thread.

Its used as "VEN G-1" and "VEN H-I" I have confirmed that they mean Venice Blvd intersection monuments. So thanks all for looking.
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No, they mean the points are first- or second-order traverse or trianglulation stations situated in the "Venice" quadrangle.

They have Zone VII coordinates and usually precise elevations.

They may or may not be on centerline intersections.

The named-quadrangle system was a cooperative City-County(ies?) system for identifying control points.

You can probably get more information from Los Angeles City Survey Division, which has a lot of stuff online at "NavigateLA"
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Dave Lindell wrote:No, they mean the points are first- or second-order traverse or trianglulation stations situated in the "Venice" quadrangle.

They have Zone VII coordinates and usually precise elevations.

They may or may not be on centerline intersections.

The named-quadrangle system was a cooperative City-County(ies?) system for identifying control points.

You can probably get more information from Los Angeles City Survey Division, which has a lot of stuff online at "NavigateLA"
yup, thats what i just noticed they were for triangulation stations. First time hearing about that. thanks
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Post by Dave Karoly, PLS »

L.A. is cool.

I found a bunch of City of L.A. field notes (centerline ties) which had CCS27z7 coordinates which were measured by triangulation (Topanga). They're probably pretty close to reality but I don't know exactly how close without a field trip.

What were they thinking (Zone 7); northings look like eastings?
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Yep, California Coordinate System 1927, Zone 7, where northings AND eastings started with a four (million).

An old Water Department triangulation point near Cahuenga Peak was chosen as the controlling point. It already had coordinates of, say, (and don't quote me on this) N 1,234,567.89 and E 987,654.32, so they changed it to 4,234,567.89 N and 4,987,654.32 E. Zone VII was the only zone to ever have a non-even central point. The Water Department coordinates were Lambert Polyconic, I think.
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